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AE Ventures
The first
the second
The above is the information I collected last year. I don’t know how much you know. Are these projects alive now? No feedback at all!
You mentioned that the cost of applying for hardware in the Chinese community exceeds 50%.
This proves that there are no false applications by members of the Chinese community!
All software requires hardware to carry it, just like your HP computer, you must buy a computer before you can run windows.
The cost of the Chinese community application basically has no profit!
Please trust the Chinese community, they are very trustworthy!
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I think we should compare the cost of similar projects. You can learn about the 996 of Chinese Internet culture. They are very diligent in development, and they don’t pay anything in return, so they just spend their money on hardware. Compare similar projects in the past and you will be very clear. The statement is for reference only.
Unfortunately, 99% of the above projects have disappeared, have no maintenance, or have been separated from the AE. These projects are not the AE ecology now. Please correct. thank you
补充:评估的标准应该更侧重于对社区发展的意义。
当然，例如我可以提高申请额度，将我工作时间计算进开发成本，每小时我以中国开发者人均最低的标准计算大约90元人民币≈13美金，(aeasy.io开发者百鑫为例，他的时薪约35美金，不包含社会福利)，这样它不会让人觉得硬件投入过高。
当然，我们可以换个方式申请基金。仅仅只计算软件开发费用、宣传费用、以及一点儿茶水费，这样可以将硬件费用降低为0%，我们很乐意这样做。
这与市井商人没有区别，我们仅仅只是乐观的不愿意将它变成生意。
Supplement: The evaluation criteria should focus more on the significance for community development.
Of course, for example, I can increase the application quota and include my working hours in the development cost. Every hour I use the lowest standard of Chinese developers per capita to calculate about 90 yuan ≈ 13USD, (aeasy.io developer Baixin as an example, he Hourly salary of about $35, not including social benefits), so that it does not make people feel that the hardware investment is too high.
Of course, we can apply for the fund in another way. Only calculating the software development cost, promotion cost, and a little tea fee, so that the hardware cost can be reduced to 0%, we are happy to do so.
This is no different from market merchants, we are just optimistic and unwilling to turn it into a business.
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开玩笑的说:我突然有个好主意，AE基金会应该成立个开发部门，社区提供建议开发什么，由开发部门负责实现它，流水线生产高质量代码。最好再成立一个宣传部门，每个国家招聘一名成员宣传开发部门的产品。
Jokingly said: I suddenly had a good idea, the AE Foundation should set up a development department, the community provides advice on what to develop, the development department is responsible for implementing it, and the assembly line produces high-quality code. It is better to set up another publicity department, and each country recruits a member to publicize the products of the development department.
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您好
I think you mixed up AE Foundation with AE Ventures. Each of these is covering a different part of the ecosystem and is independent. Foundation supports developers and core protocol development mostly funding DEVELOPERS. AE Venture funds STARTUPS that build businesses that use æternity blockchain to build their product.
The list from above is not accurate. It contains incomplete companies and some companies that are listed here were NOT supported or funded by AE Ventures and let me explain why you probably misunderstood it.
In AE ventures we have a 3 step process when we support / invest in teams. We do this trough Starfleet accelerator for startups (https://aeternitystarfleet.com/)
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First, we gather all the startups worldwide to apply to our program. Then we filter them and analyze to figure out which ones are the best. We invite up to 20 startups to join us for 1 week of “boot camp”.This boot camp is called the Genesis week and it is used to do a deep analysis of everything: their idea, product, team, technology, business model, token economics, its impact on aeternity ecosystem etc. It is structured as an educational program and they work their asses off for 12+ hours in that week. In the background, we scan them to identify their flaws, red flags and decide who do we focus on.
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After this first week, we do a Demo Day where they present their startup and their progress and we select only the best ones to continue. Usually 5-7 teams out of 20. We work closely with the teams that passed for the next 4 weeks helping them even more, they have targets they need to achieve, milestones to cover and we track their progress using our Startup Framework.
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After 4 weeks we organize another public Demo Day and we select the best from them (usually between 2 and 4 startups) to receive support and they start working hard on their businesses.
The list you have posted is a mix of startups from all of the above evaluation phases, some of them we dismissed and decided not to support, some of them we selected to support but they dropped out during the negotiation phase and some of them we invested and support until today.
The startups that we did support are alive and continue building their business using æternity blockchain. Almost all of them were instrumental to giving feedback to the core development team on all the SDK’s, tools and proposed or developed improvements on them starting from BEFORE the main-net was live (November 2018) until today. Some even developed tools that help others to build on aeternity.
So when you say that no information has been shared about them… that’s not quite true. We regularly post updates on all of these things on our blog, here on the forum on our youtube or via Facebook, Twitter, Instagram or other social media, we even had all of them on our Blockchain from the Block podcast last year.
https://twitter.com/aeventures
https://forum.aeternity.com/c/ecosystem/starfleet/72
also on the main site æternity.com (at the bottom)
All of the information is out there you just need to find it 
The correct list of the startups can be found on the links above, to make it easier for you :
Abend https://abendpayments.com/
AMPnet https://ampnet.io/
Crypto Tasks https://beta.cryptotask.org/
Cryptic Legends http://crypticlegends.co/
Homeport https://sat-1.com/ and https://homeport.network/
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TraDEX https://tradexsocial.com/
RIDESAFE https://www.ridesafeafrica.com/
ReCheck https://beta.recheck.io/ + ReCheck’s Service for Secure Data Sharing is live!
UTU https://protocol.utu.io/
YAIR https://yair.art/
WEIDEX https://jelly.market/
Assetify https://www.assetify.net/
Smart credits https://smartcredit.io/
The last two were supported only recently but they are performing very well, and we have a few more (2 or 3) in the process of negotiation from Starfleet India. Some of the startups from above have been hit hard by the corona crisis (i.e Abend etc) some of them were helped by corona (i.e Crypto task)but all of them are focused on their business and working hard and surviving. Startup space is a tough world and yes some of them will not make it in the end but in the process, they contributed already greatly to the ecosystem in various ways with shows their dedication to æternity and the ecosystem.
Out of 4 startup programs we organized we had only 1 Chinese company applying for support. Out of several hundred for each batch, we would have loved to support more companies from China but none applied and we even had teams from Venezuela and Iran. Hopefully, sometime in the future, the community will organize Starfleet China to support local teams but that’s another story all together
祝你心想事成
Luka
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Hi Guys,
Adding on to @lukaskywalker.chain points above, Our startup Hypermine. are yet in the negotiation but still we are trying to support the community as much as possible because we really like Aeternity Technology
You can see all our updated on this forum starting with some bug fixing on the State Channel.
We built:
Developer portal for students during star fleet week. http://ae-labs.herokuapp.com/
Demo on Payment Channels : Payment Channel Use Case (Pay per API call) - YouTube
We are also doing a 1 week training program for University students complete training is here 
Just thought its good to update everyone in the community.
Also as Luka suggested AE ventures is separate entity itself, and not all the startups are bound to use blockchain depending on the Use case, but I see most of them are trying to integrate with the main net.
Hope my comment is taken in a positive way
But I do really like the fire in the our Chinese community and all the amazing AEps they are developing.
Regards
Vikram
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YANI！耍这样的嘴皮子，我感觉你很欠揍，大家都在餐厅吃饭，你却跑到客厅讨饭。希望你有创始人该有的样子。
Translation: Hi Yani！ it is not proper example as that you know we meant the trip to China mainland and come for the community.
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Ask questions that are conducive to the development of the project. Technical questions will be solved for you, but don’t bullshit here.
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大哥，你给别人回复的时候不看主题么？这个主题就是让闫妮解决社区问题，哪一个是技术问题？
Translation: Hi this post is mainly talking about issues remaining in community, not as technical issues.
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For a second I thought I wrote this, it even covers most of the points I have talked about before.
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when will governance aepp be used in reality? version 2 hasn’t been used for any vote, so we have literally no precedent to say it actually works. in theory it does. in practice we don’t know.
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when will white paper be finished? never. Software is always evolving, or it is obsolete. the white paper should be also. but don’t get me started on this yani, if something that has no changes is obsolete then by definition pow is obsolete and PoS is the new thing that is evolving. so be wary of your own words. how long ago did you guys made any changes to the pow algorithm in the core node? so I guess that’s obsolete now.
3 bri funds should be spent on community voted features and development to be made by the ae core team. yes, it was voted was meant for development, internal development, but you getting control as to what is implemented how it is used and when it is used is not what the community had in mind.
4 ae core team should be transparent on what general area the funds were used for. I said since this was an ico it would would be beneficial to know how much was used in rents, salaries, food, legal fees, marketing, etc. not how much each person got, that’s beyond the point.
5 I don’t really agree with this one, I think the ae foundation is doing a good job
6 I don’t have an opinion on this one, I am in favor of using resources from the foundation to motivate, incubate and impulse development.
I’m just interested in seeing where this thread goes 
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我觉得您会是一个好的管理者，如果可以投票，我会投您一票！但是，对于您说的这些问题，团队肯定不会回复您的，或者只会打擦边球，耍耍嘴皮子。所以，好多人都认为这是一个骗子项目，如果真的技术第一，费用又低，会没人用？这里面的猫腻只是不足为外人道也！
Translation: Question is: if aeternity is really the Top 1 technical project, with extremely low and fast transaction fee, why there is so few people using?
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Guys, would you be ok, if I leave æternity? Æternity blockchain is developed. Not sure if I can further help you here.
你成功惹怒我了，删了我的帖子，封了我的号，继续呗！你们团队很牛逼，把我从AE上赔的钱全部还我，否则，天天论坛上骂！有本事把全中国的ip都封了？一点能力都没有，全靠中国人，前期的ICO，后期的交易所全是中国人！有本事来，我每天注册一个账号
出来啊，反正你也有很多时间，一个骗钱的货，团队从100多人剩下40多人，你们还虚假宣传你们团队人员在增加，除了骗继续骗！
来啊，你不是也有时间，出了发发推特，你还干啥？
我现在维权，你是否能带表官方？能否代表官方退出中国市场！否则，我今天开始举报，你们在中国进行虚假宣传虚拟货币！
一个只跌不不涨的币，你帮忙宣传，坑害自己的同胞？你良心不会难受么，前期那些大佬，哪一个不被你害惨了！
@YaniUnchained The Chinese community is very strong, but there are also many stupid people. Leave them alone.
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